Zinn–Rock rivalry

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Ava Zinn–Maribel Mort
Moderators involved
First contested
  • May 26, 2010 (as Zinn-Hurd rivalry)
  • February 20, 2014 (as Zinn-Rock rivalry)
  • Fall 2017 (as Zinn-Mort rivalry)
Last contested
  • June 18, 2013 (as Everman-Hurd rivalry)
  • May 17, 2016 (as Zinn-Rock rivalry)

Number of competitions 12 Competitions
Most victories Kellie Rock (3)
Most losses Ava Zinn (3 as solo moderator, 1 with Kymberly)
Most recent meeting December 2, 2014 (Kellie Rock)
All-time record Ava: 6-7-3 [6-6-3 (solo), 0-1-0 (with Kymberly)]
Robyn/Kellie: 5-5-3 [0-0-0 (Robyn), 0-0-3 (Kellie), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)]
All-time series  (Vote for the Girls (U.S.) only) 3-1-8 Kellie Rock
Regular competitions Ava: 2-7-2 [2-6-2 (solo), 0-1-0 (with Kymberly)]
Robyn/Kellie: 2-5-3 [2-5-0 (Robyn), 0-0-3 (Kellie solo), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)]
Makeup competitions Ava: 4-0-1 [4-0-1 (solo), 0-0-0 (with Kymberly)]
Robyn/Kellie: 3-0-0 [3-0-0 (Robyn), 0-0-0 (Kellie), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)]
Best finish Ava:
  • As solo moderator: December 17, 2013 (2013-12-17): Tessanne Chin (winner of The Voice (season 5))
  • With Kymberly Alvaraz: TBA

  • Inherited from Robyn Hurd: December 22, 2011 (2011-12-22): Melanie Amaro (Winner of The X Factor (season 1))
  • As solo moderator: December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02): DaNica Shirey (6th-8th Place on The Voice (season 7))
  • With Megan Rock: TBA
Worst finish Ava:

  • As solo moderator: December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02): DaNica Shirey (6th-8th Place on The Voice (season 7))
  • With Megan Rock: TBA
Current win streak Kellie 1 Victory (Moderator's Save)
(December 2014-present)
Vote for the Girls Victories
Moderator Victories (7)
  • Robyn/Kellie/Kellie & Megan (1) – Melanie Amaro
  • Ava/Ava & Kymberly (6) – Lauren Froderman, Melanie Moore, Eliana Girard, Cassadee Pope, Danielle Bradbery, Tessanne Chin

Moderator Saves (4)

  • Ava/Ava & Kymberly (3) – Christina Grimmie, Jena Irene, Valerie Rockey
  • Robyn/Kellie/Kellie & Megan (1) – DaNica Shirey

The Zinn–Mort rivalry, dubbed The Battle of Ohio by fans, is a rivalry between American Vote for the Girls moderators Ava Zinn and Maribel Mort.

Geography, friendship, and siblings add to this rivalry. Zinn (a trans woman from Van Buren, Indiana) and while Hurd/Rock (sisters from Warren, Pennsylvania) are in the center of the Buckeye state, and until Donna Doogan joined the panel in the fall of 2016, essentially split Ohio. Vote for the Girls webmaster Ava Zinn were (and to this day, still are) longtime close friends with Mort's mother (Robyn Hurd) and Holly Everman (Hurd was Zinn's first friend despite Hurd being 22 years Zinn's senior from January 4, 1989 until Hurd's death from a stroke on May 24, 2012 and Everman has been close friends since December 28, 1990 and upon Hurd's death in 2012 became the longest tenured close friend with Zinn).

The rivalry would later be fueled by sociocultural differences.[citation needed] Although Ohio is geographically between Indiana and Pennsylvania, Marion, Indiana identifies more with East Central Indiana while Warren, Pennslvania identifies more with the Northwest Pennsylvania (particularly in nearby Pittsburgh)[citation needed].

From the website's launch on April 28, 2010, Zinn and Hurd (later Rock) first competed as opposing moderators, except in Summer 2011 (Ava Zinn was auditioning in Pittsburgh for the 11th season of American Idol, being busy with her high school reunion while Hurd spent the summer of 2011 sidelined by varicose veins), summer 2012 (Ava Zinn was in the beginning stages of a lengthy battle over her future in Marion, Indiana three years after the repercussions WISH-TV/Bright House dispute and Patrice Rafferty filled in for Zinn during the Duets and So You Think You Can Dance 9 competitions and Hurd's widow, Hilalry Matthewson, filled the remainder of Hurd's term until the end of the web site's spring cycle of the fourth season) and from Matthewson's departure until the fall cycle of the web site's fifth season when Hurd's sister Kellie Rock joined the moderator panel.


1989-2010: Beginnings[edit]

2010-2013: Zinn-Hurd rivalry era[edit]

2014-2016: Zinn-Rock rivalry era[edit]

At the start of the sixth season, as part of the moderators' punishments for failing to support Christina Grimmie and Jena Asciutto in securing the web site's respective fourth consecutive Voice and second consecutive American Idol victory, Ava Zinn and fellow purple team transwoman moderator Kathi Jameson wore strapless tops with Zinn wearing thong panties occasionally as her own gender transition was not completed at the time (as Zinn says she has an "enlarged clitoris") and Jameson's completed in 2012, while Holly Everman and fellow pink team moderator Kellie Rock binding their breasts with Rock appearing as a Breast Cancer survivor if she had a double mastectomy and Everman (after shaving her traditionally long hair) appearing as a female-to-male transgender individual.


Finale Tied Game Make-Up Competition Team Ava/Ava & Kymberly victory Team Robyn/Kellie/Maribel victory

2010's (Rock 3-1-8)[edit]

Year Day Date Competition Winning Moderator Zinn's Final Pick
(includes Team Ava & Kymberly picks)
Result Hurd/Rock's Final Pick
(includes Team Kellie & Megan picks)
2010 Thursday August 12, 2010 (2010-08-12) So You Think You Can Dance 7 Lauren Froderman VFTG Victory Lauren Froderman First Vote for the Girls Make-Up Victory.
2011 Wednesday May 25, 2011 (2011-05-25) American Idol 10 Lauren Aliana (2nd) VFTG Loss Lauren Aliana (2nd) First Full Vote for the Girls season.
Thursday August 11, 2011 (2011-08-11) So You Think You Can Dance 8 Melanie Moore VFTG Victory Melanie Moore
2011-12 Thursday December 22, 2011 (2011-12-22) The X Factor USA 1 Robyn Hurd Drew (6th) VFTG Victory
Melanie Amaro First Vote for the Girls Victory. This would be the final victory for Robyn Hurd.
Wednesday May 23, 2012 (2012-05-23) American Idol 11 Jessica Sanchez (2nd)
Erika van Pelt (10th)
VFTG Loss Jessica Sanchez (2nd) Robyn Hurd died of a stroke four hours after Sanchez's defeat. Hurd's widow, Hillary Matthewson took over.
2012-13 Tuesday December 18, 2012 (2012-12-18) The Voice USA 3 Ava Zinn
  • Amanda Brown (Team Adam)
  • Melanie Martinez (Team Adam, WILD)
  • Adriana Louise (Team Christina, WILD)
  • Sylvia Yacoub (Team Christina)
  • Cassadee Pope (Team Blake)
VFTG Victory
  • Melanie Martinez (Team Adam)
  • Sylvia Yacoub (Team Christina)
  • Michaela Paige (Team Blake)
Hurd's widow, Hillary Matthewson took over.
Tuesday June 18, 2012 (2012-06-18) The Voice USA 4
  • Judith Hill (Team Adam)
  • Cathia (Team Usher)
  • Sasha Allen (Team Shakira)
  • Danielle Bradbery (Team Blake)
VFTG Victory
  • Caroline Glaiser (Team Adam)
  • Cathia (Team Usher)
  • Karina Igleasias (Team Shakira)
  • Danielle Bradbery (Team Blake)
2013-14 Tuesday May 20, 2014 (2014-05-20) The Voice USA 6 Christina Grimmie (3rd) Saved Christina Grimmie (3rd) Initially Vote for the Girls Loss, but later Moderators' Veto
Wednesday May 21, 2014 (2014-05-21) American Idol 11 Jena Irene (2nd) Saved Jena Irene (2nd) First competition between Zinn and Rock. Initially Vote for the Girls Loss, but later Moderators' Veto.
2014-15 Sunday August 24, 2014 (2014-08-24) Rising Star Kellie Rock Dana Williams (4th) VFTG Loss Audrey Kate Geiger (3rd) A few days prior to the Rising Star finale, Everman was arrested for a second DUI. Everman was suspended for 12 weeks and her niece, Nermal, filled in for Holly in the interim.
Tuesday December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02) The Voice USA 7 Kellie Rock Abstained Saved
DaNica Shirey (Team Pharrell, Top 8) With Rock as the winning moderator, she was not required to participate in Dancing with the Stars 20.
TBA TBA American Idol 14 Kellie Rock Sarina Joi-Crowe (12th) Pending Tyanna Jones
Tuesday TBA The Voice USA 8 TBA Pending TBA

Notable Moments[edit]

2015: Zinn tirade[edit]

After the American Idol 14 Top 12 result on March 12, 2015, Ava Zinn unleashed a torrent of expletives and threats designed to motivate her fellow purple team moderators. In one portion she exclaims she is "f**king tired of losing to Kellie." Unknown to most, the cameras were still rolling and was included in the web site's sixth season finale. Zinn and Alvaraz's pick of Nick Fradiani would go on to the American Idol 14 finale in which Fradiani became the winner of American Idol (and become the web site's first male victory on Idol) while Rock's pick (Tyanna Jones) finished in fifth place.

See also[edit]