Ava Zinn–Maribel MortModerators involved |
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First contested |
- May 26, 2010 (as Zinn-Hurd rivalry)
- February 20, 2014 (as Zinn-Rock rivalry)
- Fall 2017 (as Zinn-Mort rivalry)
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Last contested |
- June 18, 2013 (as Everman-Hurd rivalry)
- May 17, 2016 (as Zinn-Rock rivalry)
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Number of competitions |
12 Competitions |
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Most victories |
Kellie Rock (3) |
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Most losses |
Ava Zinn (3 as solo moderator, 1 with Kymberly) |
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Most recent meeting |
December 2, 2014 (Kellie Rock) |
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All-time record |
Ava: 6-7-3 [6-6-3 (solo), 0-1-0 (with Kymberly)] Robyn/Kellie: 5-5-3 [0-0-0 (Robyn), 0-0-3 (Kellie), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)] |
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All-time series (Vote for the Girls (U.S.) only) |
3-1-8 Kellie Rock |
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Regular competitions |
Ava: 2-7-2 [2-6-2 (solo), 0-1-0 (with Kymberly)] Robyn/Kellie: 2-5-3 [2-5-0 (Robyn), 0-0-3 (Kellie solo), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)] |
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Makeup competitions |
Ava: 4-0-1 [4-0-1 (solo), 0-0-0 (with Kymberly)] Robyn/Kellie: 3-0-0 [3-0-0 (Robyn), 0-0-0 (Kellie), 0-0-0 (Kellie & Megan)] |
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Best finish |
Ava:
- As solo moderator: December 17, 2013 (2013-12-17): Tessanne Chin (winner of The Voice (season 5))
- With Kymberly Alvaraz: TBA
Kellie:
- Inherited from Robyn Hurd: December 22, 2011 (2011-12-22): Melanie Amaro (Winner of The X Factor (season 1))
- As solo moderator: December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02): DaNica Shirey (6th-8th Place on The Voice (season 7))
- With Megan Rock: TBA
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Worst finish |
Ava: Kellie:
- As solo moderator: December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02): DaNica Shirey (6th-8th Place on The Voice (season 7))
- With Megan Rock: TBA
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Current win streak |
Kellie 1 Victory (Moderator's Save) (December 2014-present) |
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Vote for the Girls Victories |
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Moderator Victories (7)
- Robyn/Kellie/Kellie & Megan (1) – Melanie Amaro
- Ava/Ava & Kymberly (6) – Lauren Froderman, Melanie Moore, Eliana Girard, Cassadee Pope, Danielle Bradbery, Tessanne Chin
Moderator Saves (4)
- Ava/Ava & Kymberly (3) – Christina Grimmie, Jena Irene, Valerie Rockey
- Robyn/Kellie/Kellie & Megan (1) – DaNica Shirey
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The Zinn–Mort rivalry, dubbed The Battle of Ohio by fans, is a rivalry between American Vote for the Girls moderators Ava Zinn and Maribel Mort.
Geography, friendship, and siblings add to this rivalry. Zinn (a trans woman from Van Buren, Indiana) and while Hurd/Rock (sisters from Warren, Pennsylvania) are in the center of the Buckeye state, and until Donna Doogan joined the panel in the fall of 2016, essentially split Ohio. Vote for the Girls webmaster Ava Zinn were (and to this day, still are) longtime close friends with Mort's mother (Robyn Hurd) and Holly Everman (Hurd was Zinn's first friend despite Hurd being 22 years Zinn's senior from January 4, 1989 until Hurd's death from a stroke on May 24, 2012 and Everman has been close friends since December 28, 1990 and upon Hurd's death in 2012 became the longest tenured close friend with Zinn).
The rivalry would later be fueled by sociocultural differences.[citation needed] Although Ohio is geographically between Indiana and Pennsylvania, Marion, Indiana identifies more with East Central Indiana while Warren, Pennslvania identifies more with the Northwest Pennsylvania (particularly in nearby Pittsburgh)[citation needed].
From the website's launch on April 28, 2010, Zinn and Hurd (later Rock) first competed as opposing moderators, except in Summer 2011 (Ava Zinn was auditioning in Pittsburgh for the 11th season of American Idol, being busy with her high school reunion while Hurd spent the summer of 2011 sidelined by varicose veins), summer 2012 (Ava Zinn was in the beginning stages of a lengthy battle over her future in Marion, Indiana three years after the repercussions WISH-TV/Bright House dispute and Patrice Rafferty filled in for Zinn during the Duets and So You Think You Can Dance 9 competitions and Hurd's widow, Hilalry Matthewson, filled the remainder of Hurd's term until the end of the web site's spring cycle of the fourth season) and from Matthewson's departure until the fall cycle of the web site's fifth season when Hurd's sister Kellie Rock joined the moderator panel.
History[edit]
1989-2010: Beginnings[edit]
2010-2013: Zinn-Hurd rivalry era[edit]
2014-2016: Zinn-Rock rivalry era[edit]
At the start of the sixth season, as part of the moderators' punishments for failing to support Christina Grimmie and Jena Asciutto in securing the web site's respective fourth consecutive Voice and second consecutive American Idol victory, Ava Zinn and fellow purple team transwoman moderator Kathi Jameson wore strapless tops with Zinn wearing thong panties occasionally as her own gender transition was not completed at the time (as Zinn says she has an "enlarged clitoris") and Jameson's completed in 2012, while Holly Everman and fellow pink team moderator Kellie Rock binding their breasts with Rock appearing as a Breast Cancer survivor if she had a double mastectomy and Everman (after shaving her traditionally long hair) appearing as a female-to-male transgender individual.
Results[edit]
Finale
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Tied Game
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Make-Up Competition
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Team Ava/Ava & Kymberly victory
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Team Robyn/Kellie/Maribel victory
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2010's (Rock 3-1-8)[edit]
Year
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Day
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Date
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Competition
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Winning Moderator
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Zinn's Final Pick (includes Team Ava & Kymberly picks)
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Result
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Hurd/Rock's Final Pick (includes Team Kellie & Megan picks)
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Notes
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2010
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Thursday
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August 12, 2010 (2010-08-12)
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So You Think You Can Dance 7
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Lauren Froderman
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VFTG Victory
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Lauren Froderman
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First Vote for the Girls Make-Up Victory.
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2011
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Wednesday
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May 25, 2011 (2011-05-25)
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American Idol 10
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Lauren Aliana (2nd)
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VFTG Loss
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Lauren Aliana (2nd)
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First Full Vote for the Girls season.
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Thursday
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August 11, 2011 (2011-08-11)
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So You Think You Can Dance 8
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Melanie Moore
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VFTG Victory
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Melanie Moore
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2011-12
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Thursday
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December 22, 2011 (2011-12-22)
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The X Factor USA 1
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Robyn Hurd
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Drew (6th)
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VFTG Victory (Robyn)
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Melanie Amaro
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First Vote for the Girls Victory. This would be the final victory for Robyn Hurd.
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Wednesday
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May 23, 2012 (2012-05-23)
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American Idol 11
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Jessica Sanchez (2nd) Erika van Pelt (10th)
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VFTG Loss
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Jessica Sanchez (2nd)
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Robyn Hurd died of a stroke four hours after Sanchez's defeat. Hurd's widow, Hillary Matthewson took over.
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2012-13
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Tuesday
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December 18, 2012 (2012-12-18)
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The Voice USA 3
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Ava Zinn
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- Amanda Brown (Team Adam)
- Melanie Martinez (Team Adam, WILD)
- Adriana Louise (Team Christina, WILD)
- Sylvia Yacoub (Team Christina)
- Cassadee Pope (Team Blake)
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VFTG Victory (Ava)
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- Melanie Martinez (Team Adam)
- Sylvia Yacoub (Team Christina)
- Michaela Paige (Team Blake)
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Hurd's widow, Hillary Matthewson took over.
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Tuesday
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June 18, 2012 (2012-06-18)
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The Voice USA 4
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- Judith Hill (Team Adam)
- Cathia (Team Usher)
- Sasha Allen (Team Shakira)
- Danielle Bradbery (Team Blake)
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VFTG Victory
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- Caroline Glaiser (Team Adam)
- Cathia (Team Usher)
- Karina Igleasias (Team Shakira)
- Danielle Bradbery (Team Blake)
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2013-14
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Tuesday
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May 20, 2014 (2014-05-20)
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The Voice USA 6
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Christina Grimmie (3rd)
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Saved
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Christina Grimmie (3rd)
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Initially Vote for the Girls Loss, but later Moderators' Veto
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Wednesday
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May 21, 2014 (2014-05-21)
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American Idol 11
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Jena Irene (2nd)
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Saved
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Jena Irene (2nd)
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First competition between Zinn and Rock. Initially Vote for the Girls Loss, but later Moderators' Veto.
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2014-15
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Sunday
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August 24, 2014 (2014-08-24)
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Rising Star
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Kellie Rock
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Dana Williams (4th)
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VFTG Loss
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Audrey Kate Geiger (3rd)
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A few days prior to the Rising Star finale, Everman was arrested for a second DUI. Everman was suspended for 12 weeks and her niece, Nermal, filled in for Holly in the interim.
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Tuesday
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December 2, 2014 (2014-12-02)
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The Voice USA 7
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Kellie Rock
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Abstained
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Saved (Kellie)
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DaNica Shirey (Team Pharrell, Top 8)
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With Rock as the winning moderator, she was not required to participate in Dancing with the Stars 20.
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TBA
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TBA
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American Idol 14
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Kellie Rock
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Sarina Joi-Crowe (12th)
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Pending
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Tyanna Jones
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Tuesday
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TBA
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The Voice USA 8
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TBA
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Pending
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TBA
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Notable Moments[edit]
2015: Zinn tirade[edit]
After the American Idol 14 Top 12 result on March 12, 2015, Ava Zinn unleashed a torrent of expletives and threats designed to motivate her fellow purple team moderators. In one portion she exclaims she is "f**king tired of losing to Kellie." Unknown to most, the cameras were still rolling and was included in the web site's sixth season finale. Zinn and Alvaraz's pick of Nick Fradiani would go on to the American Idol 14 finale in which Fradiani became the winner of American Idol (and become the web site's first male victory on Idol) while Rock's pick (Tyanna Jones) finished in fifth place.
See also[edit]
References[edit]
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Purple Team Transwomen (male birth gender/M2F) |
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2014-15
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2014 (Fall)
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Red Team Transmen (female birth gender) |
Leonard Lai v. Clark Jones |
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| Quarter-Final Appearances (50) |
American Idol: 9 | The Voice: 15 | The X Factor: 2 | Duets: 2 | Rising Star: 1 | So You Think You Can Dance: 8 | Dancing with the Stars: 13 | | | | | | | | |
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| Semi-Final Appearances (40) |
American Idol: 10 | The Voice: 15 | The X Factor: 1 | Duets: 1 | Rising Star: 1 | So You Think You Can Dance: 8 | Dancing with the Stars: 8 | | | | | | | | |
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| Finale Appearances (28) |
American Idol: 7 | The Voice: 12 | The X Factor: 1 | Rising Star: 1 | So You Think You Can Dance: 8 | Dancing with the Stars: 5 | | | | | | | |
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| Moderator Victories (16) |
Overall:17 | Male: 1 | Female:5 | |
- So You Think You Can Dance: 4
- Dancing with the Stars: 1
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- Dancing with the Stars: 1
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- American Idol: 1
- The Voice: 2
- So You Think You Can Dance: 1
- Dancing with the Stars: 1
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| Current Moderator Affiliations |
- League:
- Vote for the Girls USA
- Conference:
- Women's
- Division:
- Purple Team North
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| Vote for the Girls United Kingdom Moderator series |
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| Culture | |
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| Competition Final Four/Five Appearances (13) |
The Voice UK
- Leanne Mitchell
- Andrea Begley
- Leah McFall
- Christina-Marie
- Sally Barker
- Lucy O'Byrne
- Sasha Simone
The X Factor UK
- Little Mix
- Samantha Bailey
- Fleur East
- Louisa Johnson
- Che Chesterman
Strictly Come Dancing
- Caroline Flack
- Frankie Bridge
- Mark Wright
- Kellie Bright
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| Moderator Victories/Saves (12) |
The Voice UK
- Leanne Mitchell
- Andrea Begley
- Christina-Marie
- Rachael O'Connor
- Lucy O'Byrne
The X Factor UK
- Little Mix
- Ella Henderson
- Samantha Bailey
- Fleur East
- Louisa Johnson
Strictly Come Dancing
- Caroline Flack
- Frankie Bridge
- Kellie Bright
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| Current Moderator Affiliations |
- League:
- Vote for the Girls UK
- Conference:
- Women's
- Division:
- Transgender Women's
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| Vote for the Girls Australian Moderator seasons |
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| Competition Final Four/Five Appearances (8) |
- The Voice Australia
- Karise Eden
- Celia Pavey
- Anja Nissen
- The X Factor Australia
- Samantha Jade
- Dami Im
- Marlisa Punzlman
- Reigan Derry
- Cyrus Villanueva
- Louise Adams
- Jess & Matt
- Dancing with the Stars
- Ricki-Lee Coultier
- Matthew Mitcham
- Ash Pollard
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| Moderator Victories/Saves (5) |
The Voice Australia
The X Factor Australia
- Samantha Jade
- Dami Im
- Marlisa Punzlman
- Cyrus Villanueva
- Louise Adams
Dancing with the Stars |
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| Current Moderator Affiliations |
- League:
- Vote for the Girls Australia
- Conference:
- Women's
- Division:
- Transgender Women's
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Spouses:
Children:
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Notable people:
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KIAA (NBC) 9 Denver |
- KIAA 9 News Today in Colorado (1989-1993 with Bryant Allen)
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| KDNC (Fox) 2 Denver |
KDNC 2 Eyewitness News/Fox 2 Eyewitness News at 6:00 and 10:00 (1994-2014 with Janet Webb)
KDNC 2 Eyewitness News/Fox 2 Eyewitness News/Fox 2 News/Colorado's 2 News at 4:00, 5:00, and 9:00 (1994-2014 with Janet Webb) |
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| WTOR (CBS) 41 WXXC INNCD 47 Fort Wayne |
CBS 41 Action News Eyeopener/INNCD 47 Action News Eyeopener (2015-present)
INNCD 47 Action News at Noon (2015-present, rotating) |
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| Vote for the Girls U.S. |
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| Culture |
As solo moderator | With Ava Zinn | | | |
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As solo moderator | With Ava Zinn | | | |
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| Rivalries |
As solo moderator | With Ava Zinn | | | |
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| Quarter-Final Appearances (17)1 |
As solo moderator | With Ava Zinn | | |
American Idol: | The Voice: | So You Think You Can Dance: | Dancing with the Stars: | | | | | |
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| Semi-Final Appearances (13)1 |
American Idol: | The Voice: | So You Think You Can Dance: | Dancing with the Stars: | | | | | |
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| Finale Appearances (9)1 |
American Idol: | The Voice: | So You Think You Can Dance: | Dancing with the Stars: | | | | | |
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| Moderator Victories (7)1 |
Overall: | Male: | Female: | |
- American Idol:
- The Voice:
- So You Think You Can Dance:
- Dancing with the Stars:
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- The Voice:
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- Dancing with the Stars:
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| Current Moderator Affiliations |
- League:
- Vote for the Girls USA
- Conference:
- Women's
- Division:
- Purple Team
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1 These supported contestants (except for Michael Waltrip and April Lockhart) were on "Team Ava & Kymberly". |
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Robyn |
WLIN (Fox) 12 Lafayette, IN |
- 12WLIN Newsroom: The 10:00 Report weekend anchor (1986-1990)
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| WRDS/WXXC 47 Fort Wayne, Indiana |
47 News Update (1999-2007)
INNCD 47 News (2007-2009)
INNCD 47 Action News (2009-2010)
Vote for the Girls (2010–2012) |
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WVTH (NBC) 25 Terre Haute/Vincennes |
- First stint (1984-1987)
- NewsCenter 25 Weekend Report (1984-1985 with Jeffrey Passalt; 1985-1987 solo)
- Second stint (2009-2013)
- NBC 25 Morning News' (2009-2011 with Dave Winklespleck)
- Wabash Valley (NBC 25/J-32) Action News (2011-2013 with Beverly Gadsen)
- NBC 25 5:00 Action News
- NBC 25 6:00 Action News
- J-32 7:00 Action News
- J-32 10:00 Action News
- NBC 25 11:00 Action News
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| WWCF (CBS) 4 Tampa |
News 4 Tampa Bay Pinellas County reporter (1987-1990)
Eyewitness News 4 general assignment reporter (1990-1995)
Channel 4 Eyewitness News/CBS 4 Eyewitness News/CBS 4 Action News noon and 5:00 pm anchor (1995-2009 with Kurt Fonn) |
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| Maribel |
WPTL (NBC) 21 Pittsburgh |
- NBC 21 Action News (2012-2016)
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| Vote for the Girls U.S. |
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| Culture | |
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| Competition Final Four/Five Appearances (15) |
American Idol
- Crystal Bowersox
- Lauren Alaina
- Jessica Sanchez
- Hollie Cavanagh
- Skylar Laine
- Jena Asciutto
The X Factor
The Voice
- Melanie Martinez
- Danielle Bradbery
- Christina Grimmie
Rising Star
So You Think You Can Dance
- Lauren Froderman
- Melanie Moore
America's Got Talent
Dancing with the Stars |
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| Moderator Victories/Saves (10) |
American Idol
The X Factor
The Voice
- Danielle Bradbery
- Christina Grimmie
- DaNica Shirey
- Danielle Bradbery
- Christina Grimmie
Rising Star
So You Think You Can Dance
- Lauren Froderman
- Melanie Moore
America's Got Talent
Dancing with the Stars |
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| Current Moderator Affiliations |
- League:
- Vote for the Girls USA
- Conference:
- Women's
- Division:
- Pink Team East
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